"I dont get ppl who fall out of love w hip hop"-Talib

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Permalink Reply by JAK on February 19, 2010 at 10:28pm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=seLj2K1tD20

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Permalink Reply by JAK on February 19, 2010 at 10:39pm

George Jackson inspiration great writer performer person I starting writing now refining rhythms in the system lovin livin givin my love in my position while im wishing for progression sending out confessions relax and count my blessings
This freestyle isn't my best but I have a camera that will only let me record two minutes now the memory is out I got a lot more behind this but Im sharing it now. I know how you feel revertn back to classics still pushn progression with low tools im not stressin learned some lessons steppn out pourin rain refreshn droughts although it was just buried when your thirsty its kind of scary but I barely scratched the surface so so message worth this little bit of a big thing so I write rap and sing, peace & love
JAK said:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=seLj2K1tD20

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Permalink Reply by One Term on February 19, 2010 at 11:47pm

A simple analogy would be if you've ever fallen out of love with another person. Whatever the reason you had for falling in love with them (consider the actions they put forth as their "trend"), something changed down the road to alter how you felt for them forcing you to fall out of love with them.

So... did you really ever love them?

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Permalink Reply by SUMMERTIME (Amanda) on February 20, 2010 at 7:40am

I dont know if the love for some THING can be compared to the love you have for some ONE.

Hmmm....

Also, loving someone, and being in love with someone...are two different things.....

While IN LOVE, you can also at the same time love this person. Being in love could also just be an infatuation.

So you can actually fall out of love, but still be loving that person. For example one might be crazy in love and love their spouse, but with the years they might not feel just as in love with eachother as when they first met. Even thought they still do love eachother.

I dont know if that makes any sense....

But to get back to talking about hiphop....

If someone who loves travelling....after many years of travelling around, feels a bit tired of doing that....and maybe becomes interested in doing something else...for example painting...then a couple of years later might get tired of doing that, and fall back in love with the idea of travel.

As for myself, my interests are ever changing....

For example i love travelling, i love photography, and i love music. But all these have their own curves, they all have periods of their ups and downs....

Sometimes you're just more into doing something else.....maybe the hiphop music that is out a certain year, is not inspiring...to you....so you find something else that inspires you....that is only human.....and i think that's healthy....

Just like your emotions are not always the same for your spouse either (if you want to go back to that analogy)...you might wake up one day and just bubble with the feelings of love, and another day you wake up maybe not feeling as excited. I think you constantly fall in and out of love with things and people.

But i do agree that if you ever truly loved that one person, or if you ever truly loved hiphop...then i think you'll find your way back again.

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Permalink Reply by Talib Kweli on February 21, 2010 at 2:01pm

First, thanks for posting this. I wanted to respond. If you love hip hop music from the 90's, is it possible that you love the type of hip hop that speaks to you directly? And if you really love it, do you love it any less because that type of hip hop is no longer trendy? If the answer is yes, you never really loved it, you only loved the idea of it. If you loved it in the 90's, you can still love that same hip hop now. The fact is, the music HAS to change. These new artists are from different regions and have different experiences than those of us who were listening in the 90's. Some of these new artists were BORN in the 90's. Why should they be forced to make hip hop according to our rules? They have to make their own hip hop, and we must respect the growth. I don't own any of Souljah Boys albums, because he is from a generation that is about singles, not albums. But I would be foolish to not respect what he brings to the music and the business. Before the age of mp3s, you might get 3 dope albums in a year. You just named 2 in your post from last year, KRS Buckshot, Raekwon. Did you forget Mos Def dropped last year? Foreign Exchange? Ghost album wasnt dope? What about Fashawn? JColes mixtape? Drakes mixtape So Far Gone? Did you buy KNaans Troubadour? Slaughterhouse? DOOMs Born Like This? Brother Alis Us? How about Red and Meth, Black Out 2? I personally liked the Clipse Til the Casket drops and Jayz Blueprint 3 as well. Do you think its fair to any of these artists and the hard work they put in for you to say there was nothing dope last year? Really? Nothing out of all these projects I named off the top of my head? If you fall out of love with it, you will fail to notice how beautiful it really is. I hope one day you can hear some of these great records that came out in 2009 alone.
The medium has indeed changed and the way music is sold to you has changed. Good hip hop is no longer thrust in front of you. Now you have to go and find it. But if you really love it, thats exactly what you will do. I am glad you are looking forwward to my album and Joell Ortiz. Hopefully you will be looking for Big Bois album, Nas and Damien Marley, and Lupes Lasers as well. One!

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Permalink Reply by Throw The Damn Towel!!! on February 21, 2010 at 2:04pm

good response talib


nowadays you may have to look a little harder and dig a little deeper to find the good stuff but its still out there.

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Permalink Reply by Angela France on February 21, 2010 at 2:07pm

The game, and the flavor of hiphop has changed, become more corporate and that ruined it. At least for me. Plus the whole point in liking Hip Hop was to rebel against my mom and if she likes it.. whats the point it's become too violent and too watered down. I want good happy hip hop back!

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Permalink Reply by Throw The Damn Towel!!! on February 21, 2010 at 2:09pm

to me, liking hip hop just to rebel is the same as liking hip hop just to fit in. i started liking hip hop because it sounded nice on my ears.

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Permalink Reply by Souletic on February 21, 2010 at 2:10pm

Damn, Talib. Well f'n said! I'mma have to tweet this. :)

Talib Kweli said:

First, thanks for posting this. I wanted to respond. If you love hip hop music from the 90's, is it possible that you love the type of hip hop that speaks to you directly? And if you really love it, do you love it any less because that type of hip hop is no longer trendy? If the answer is yes, you never really loved it, you only loved the idea of it. If you loved it in the 90's, you can still love that same hip hop now. The fact is, the music HAS to change. These new artists are from different regions and have different experiences than those of us who were listening in the 90's. Some of these new artists were BORN in the 90's. Why should they be forced to make hip hop according to our rules? They have to make their own hip hop, and we must respect the growth. I don't own any of Souljah Boys albums, because he is from a generation that is about singles, not albums. But I would be foolish to not respect what he brings to the music and the business. Before the age of mp3s, you might get 3 dope albums in a year. You just named 2 in your post from last year, KRS Buckshot, Raekwon. Did you forget Mos Def dropped last year? Foreign Exchange? Ghost album wasnt dope? What about Fashawn? JColes mixtape? Drakes mixtape So Far Gone? Did you buy KNaans Troubadour? Slaughterhouse? DOOMs Born Like This? Brother Alis Us? How about Red and Meth, Black Out 2? I personally liked the Clipse Til the Casket drops and Jayz Blueprint 3 as well. Do you think its fair to any of these artists and the hard work they put in for you to say there was nothing dope last year? Really? Nothing out of all these projects I named off the top of my head? If you fall out of love with it, you will fail to notice how beautiful it really is. I hope one day you can hear some of these great records that came out in 2009 alone.
The medium has indeed changed and the way music is sold to you has changed. Good hip hop is no longer thrust in front of you. Now you have to go and find it. But if you really love it, thats exactly what you will do. I am glad you are looking forwward to my album and Joell Ortiz. Hopefully you will be looking for Big Bois album, Nas and Damien Marley, and Lupes Lasers as well. One!

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Permalink Reply by Souletic on February 21, 2010 at 2:18pm

I agree w/your analogy. As I read the first post, it sounded like the course of a relationship to me. When you're with someone for a long time, sometimes you feel like you're losing interest and then you realize why you fell in love with the first place, and you revisit those feelings with that person. A deacon @ my church asked if love was a feeling or if it was intentional. He said love is intentional because if it was a feeling, then we would leave our significant others as soon as those feelings start to fade a lil bit. But because it is intentional, we take the time and initiative to keep the love alive, BECAUSE of how much we love them. You have faith in the love. I see that w/ HipHop. Sure we get let down, but we have faith SOMETHING or SOMEONE will give us another hot record.

One Term said:

A simple analogy would be if you've ever fallen out of love with another person. Whatever the reason you had for falling in love with them (consider the actions they put forth as their "trend"), something changed down the road to alter how you felt for them forcing you to fall out of love with them.

So... did you really ever love them?

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Permalink Reply by Charise T on February 21, 2010 at 2:28pm

So well said. I believe that a lot of people say that don't love hip hop because they don't know where it comes from. They wake up in the morning listening to the things we have presented to us by mainstream media and think that it's all there is. If you listen and read the history then you will understand that before hip hop started to grow there were people getting their music stolen for giving "the people" what they wanted to hear before anyone else did. NOW our people have a chance to make money because our generation wants to hear what they buy. If you are one of the few who don't like mainstream then you won't listen to it but you will find the music that speaks to your soul as it did for those before us. If you ever truly loved hip hop you would be head over hills at this moment because there are people trying to keep their heads above water in a sea of overflowing "pop" artists just to give us what we thirst for. Those like Mos Def and Talib who just wanna say what's real and leave at that. If you love it then you should be as hungry for it as it is to give you what you want...real music.



Talib Kweli said:

First, thanks for posting this. I wanted to respond. If you love hip hop music from the 90's, is it possible that you love the type of hip hop that speaks to you directly? And if you really love it, do you love it any less because that type of hip hop is no longer trendy? If the answer is yes, you never really loved it, you only loved the idea of it. If you loved it in the 90's, you can still love that same hip hop now. The fact is, the music HAS to change. These new artists are from different regions and have different experiences than those of us who were listening in the 90's. Some of these new artists were BORN in the 90's. Why should they be forced to make hip hop according to our rules? They have to make their own hip hop, and we must respect the growth. I don't own any of Souljah Boys albums, because he is from a generation that is about singles, not albums. But I would be foolish to not respect what he brings to the music and the business. Before the age of mp3s, you might get 3 dope albums in a year. You just named 2 in your post from last year, KRS Buckshot, Raekwon. Did you forget Mos Def dropped last year? Foreign Exchange? Ghost album wasnt dope? What about Fashawn? JColes mixtape? Drakes mixtape So Far Gone? Did you buy KNaans Troubadour? Slaughterhouse? DOOMs Born Like This? Brother Alis Us? How about Red and Meth, Black Out 2? I personally liked the Clipse Til the Casket drops and Jayz Blueprint 3 as well. Do you think its fair to any of these artists and the hard work they put in for you to say there was nothing dope last year? Really? Nothing out of all these projects I named off the top of my head? If you fall out of love with it, you will fail to notice how beautiful it really is. I hope one day you can hear some of these great records that came out in 2009 alone.
The medium has indeed changed and the way music is sold to you has changed. Good hip hop is no longer thrust in front of you. Now you have to go and find it. But if you really love it, thats exactly what you will do. I am glad you are looking forwward to my album and Joell Ortiz. Hopefully you will be looking for Big Bois album, Nas and Damien Marley, and Lupes Lasers as well. One!

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Permalink Reply by mayette medina on February 21, 2010 at 2:35pm

woooord. i couldn't agree with you more. i'm a 1988 baby and would much rather prefer to listen to artists from when i was a baby. i'm not sayin' that i've been listening to it since i was young, but growing up i've heard my fair share of music and decided to dig deeper after listening to tribe. i was asked a similar question regarding hip hop and why i'm not one to listen to hip hop that's played on the radio. i mean yeah, i'll listen to the radio every now and then but you can only listen to artists singing about the same thing and telling the same story for so long. although i may not know much, but knowing as much as i do.. it's not that people fall out of love with hip hop, it's the fact that nowadays most hip hop heard on the radio are based on lyrics and a dope beat.. as for j5, common, tribe, blackalicious, roots, as well as who talib named, it's poetry.. poetry topped off with a dope ass beat is what i consider real hip hop. the feel good type where you listen with your ears and feel it in your soul you can't help but just nod your head and go with it. it will take those who are willing to expand their knowledge on the roots of hip hop and what made it real to understand the phrase 'hip hop is dead'.

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